Talk to kids about death | Dr. Korie Leigh on Be Alive

Dr. Korie Leigh has spent years studying how to talk to kids about death. In this episode, we dig into the biggest mistake parents make when it comes to talking to kids about death and grief. Plus the #1 quality you can build in kids.

Dr. Leigh highlights how unprocessed and disenfranchised childhood grief can contribute to adult anxiety, depression, substance use, and parentification. Resilience, however, can be built through “dosing” information, nervous-system regulation, and meaningful rituals around everyday endings.

Dr. Leigh describes how she came to helping children with death and grief, which includes working with kids with cancer and kids who have experienced parental loss.

00:00 Why Kids Need Truth

01:09 Meet Dr Corey Lee & Tea Blending Side Quest

04:06 Talking About Death

06:35 Kids Misconceptions Explained

08:14 Angels Took Grandma

10:50 How Hidden Grief Grows Up

16:43 Dosing Method For Answers

18:45 Resilience In Hard Times

23:39 Everyday Loss Teachable Moments

27:18 Rituals Create Core Memories

29:56 Puffy Paint Breakthrough

32:07 Core Memories Are Emotions

34:41 What She Actually Does

36:44 Born Into This Work

40:01 Science Meets Spirituality

42:32 Dyscalculia Explained

44:57 Are you an info-based coper or an emotion-based coper?

56:09 Where to Find Dr. Leigh, Season 2 Teaser & Farewell

BIO: Dr. Korie Leigh – Professor • Author • Thanatologist

Dr. Korie Leigh is a nationally and internationally recognized expert in childhood bereavement, trauma-informed care, and compassionate communication. She specializes in supporting children and families navigating illness, death, and loss.

Dr. Leigh has presented at national and international conferences and facilitates workshops on grief literacy, meaning-making, and trauma-informed care for professionals across healthcare, education, and community sectors. Her integrative approach draws from clinical practice, academic scholarship, and the profound understanding of our capacity to heal after loss.

Dr. Leigh is the author of Oprah Booklist title, What Does Grief Feel Like?, It Won’t Ever Be the Same: A teens guide to grief and grieving, and When Everything Changes: Parenting through loss and grief. Dr. Leigh’s books that help children and families process grief with honesty and compassion.

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Newest book -- When Everything Changes: Parenting through loss and grief

It Won’t Ever Be the Same: A Teen’s Guide to Grief and Grieving

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What it's like completing a Masters of Psychology at 41

Solo ep! Finally announcing that I'm completing my Masters in Psychology this year. It's been a helluva ride. In this episode, I share WHY I decided to do this, some rad highlights (and difficult lowlights), and how my research affects YOU.

*slight audio drift on this one I can't fix, so we're rolling with it.

Chapters:

00:00 Masters Degree Reveal :)

00:51 Why Go Back to School?

02:42 Why Transpersonal Psychology - and what is that?

04:40 Program Structure and School Fit

07:51 Academic Writing Reality Check

11:36 My journey studying mortality awareness to now studying aliveness awareness

15:07 Designing my research study: The Aliveness Experiment

19:20 Early Insights and Why This Affects YOU

23:56 Closing Aliveness Moment

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The Ultraview Effect: What Space Reveals About Being Alive

For as long as I can remember, I have been obsessed with the Overview Effect. It's a huge shot of awe, perspective, reorientation of priorities, and gratitude. I believe feeling alive is one way to get a micro Overview Effect without flying to space.

So when I came across space anthropologist Deana Weibel and her work on The Ultraview Effect, I knew I had to have her on the show. Deana has been studying astronauts for decades. She's interviewed them all and researches the psychological and spiritual impacts they experience in their work. While NASA research prioritizes physical risks like radiation and microgravity over emotional and spiritual impacts, Deana's doing the work to research the psychological effects.

Her discovery? Space exploration shapes meaning-making around awe, humility, spirituality, and the unknown.

But the Ultraview Effect and the Overview Effect are not the same thing. Weibel contrasts the overview effect (seeing Earth from space, often inspiring environmental concern and a sense of shared humanity) with the ultraview effect (seeing deep space/star fields in true darkness, producing disorientation and profound intellectual humility). The keyword there is HUMILITY.

The conversation in this episode connects awe to mortality awareness, beginner’s mind, and the practices us non-astronauts can use to cultivate The Ultraview Effect right here on Earth.

The Ultraview Effect: Awe, Humility, and What Space Reveals About Being Alive

00:00 Embrace Not Knowing

01:19 Meet Deana Weibel

03:19 Vastness and Ritual Awe

07:32 Space and Spirituality

10:35 Why This Matters Now

14:32 Overview Effect Explained

21:13 Ultraview Starfield Awe

24:42 Disorientation and Denial

29:24 Research Gaps at NASA

33:07 Ultraview Impacts and Humility

39:36 Beginners Mind and Curiosity

42:05 Humility as Superpower

43:16 Sailing Humility Lesson

45:11 Awe Makes Better Humans

49:42 Practicing Humility Daily

55:45 Mortality And Meaning

01:02:33 Grief And Creative Grace

01:09:22 Aliveness As Ecosystem

01:13:20 Book Plug And Next Project

01:18:05 Season Two Teaser

About Deana Weibel:

Deana Weibel is a Professor of Anthropology at Grand Valley State University and a leading voice in the study of human experiences of space exploration. Her work explores how astronauts and space professionals make meaning of awe, humility, and the unknown. She is the author of The Ultraview Effect: What We Can Learn from Astronauts About Awe, Humility, and Exploring the Unknown, which examines how looking out into deep space can transform the way we understand ourselves and our place in the universe. Through interviews, fieldwork, and storytelling, she brings a deeply human perspective to the future of space travel.

Get Deana's New Book: 30% off for listeners of Be Alive with Kate Manser The Ultraview Effect: What We Can Learn from Astronauts about Awe, Humility, and Exploring the Unknown

Book link: https://www.ucpress.edu/books/the-ult...

Deana's Top 3 areas of expertise

1. Awe, humility, and transformation through space exploration

2. The human side of space travel

3. The “Ultraview Effect” and looking outward

When you think about living your most alive life - what does that mean to you?

Living my most alive life means following curiosity into new experiences, especially when I’m in motion, traveling, talking to someone fascinating, or encountering something I don’t fully understand yet. I feel it in those moments when a place, food, or idea is completely unfamiliar and then suddenly starts to make sense, when the world opens up just a little more. I tend to feel least alive in routine or repetitive tasks, and most alive in environments full of energy and human activity, where there’s something to notice, learn, or ask about. One unexpected angle I’d love to explore is how aliveness isn’t always about calm or mindfulness for me, but about stimulation, curiosity, and that shifting edge between the unknown and the newly understood.

--Deana Weibel

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The Life & Death Storyteller: Niki DiGaetano

Niki is a death doula, writer, designer, and backpacker who came to death work following a career and existential crisis in 2019.

By day, she works in design and copywriting. By night and by passion, she helps her clients tell the stories of their and their loved ones' lives. She also helps the bereaved navigate loss through individual grief support sessions.

In her free time, she is working on a book that explores death's transformative call to live - and how that call once saved her life - all set against the story of her 900 mile hike on the Appalachian Trail.

Key takeaways

🪴Grief never just “goes away”—we grow around it, learning to hold loss over time.

👯‍♀️Support from others, including professionals and peer mentors, is invaluable in heavy times.

🌅There’s no set timeline for healing; everyone’s process is different and deserves respect.

🌊Expressing grief and seeking validation helps counter shame and unnecessary suffering.

🥾Embracing uncertainty and “wandering” is essential both in recovery and in everyday life.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction and Personal Reflections on Mortality

(01:10) A Journey into Death Work

(02:43) Early Life and Career Path

(04:01) The Turning Point: Discovering a New Path

(08:09) Volunteering and the Birth of a Death Doula

(11:28) Blending Passions: Graphic Design and Storytelling

(16:44) Personal Transformation and Overcoming Darkness

(19:12) The Appalachian Trail Adventure

(29:17) New Beginnings in Utah

(30:52) Transition to Death Doula Work

(31:26) Starting Grief Support

(32:55) The Power of Letting Go

(37:43) Lessons from Grief Work

(45:31) Embracing the Wandering

(53:38) The Importance of Pattern Disruption

(57:34) Concluding Thoughts on Aliveness

(01:02:29) Closing Remarks and Future Plans

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What are your top 3 topics & areas of expertise?

  • Grief work/support/education: no, you're not "crazy" for not being "over" the death of your loved one after 2.5 months. It's neuroscience.

  • Legacy and storytelling: how to document and capture your stories, your loved one's stories, and why it matters.

  • Death's call to Live: we are impermanent. Everything and everyone we love is impermanent and will die someday. Sound morbid? It's not. It's a way to laser-focus your priorities, get clear on priorities, and enhance your relationships.

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